'Since mass-produced potato products don’t use olive or other fruit oils, the answer is more specifically: Seed oils.'
You can find potato chips (purportedly) made with olive oil or avocado oil. Until recently, Boulder Canyon also made a version using coconut oil, which, sadly, they've discontinued. I even called them to confirm that when it disappeared from my grocery store.
This is leaving out what's been written about the difficulties of finding genuine, unadulterated olive oil (maybe avocado oil too).
I avoid mass produced foods for this reason. They always use those 'heart healthy' seeds oils. People have forgotten that cooking quality good food is easy and cheap. Yesterday I did beef stew for two, 500g organic beef, an onion & two carrots, pressure cooked with a bit of tallow for 30 mins - costing about £6 in the UK. Sit on a small amount of boiled potato to soak up the gravy. Stuffed.
" aka seed oils, are also causative in obesity, then adjusting for BMI would be invalid, as one cannot adjust by a factor that is involved in the causative pathway. "
I'm glad you pointed that out, because I wasn't sure if I read that right.
Wonder if those numbers for meat account for the very common consumption of fries along with the meat. Would be interesting if you could get separate numbers for chicken fried in peanut oil (eg Chick Fil A, etc) - so often eaten in conjunction with those tasty waffle fries.
I may have missed something, but I'm confused as to why you chose to focus on seed oils rather than the fact that those two preparations of potato are fried in oil.
Surely that in itself is sufficient to explain the difference, without having to gesture towards vaguely conspiratorial explanations involving something that has been studied a lot and seems to be completely fine.
Always baffling how researchers seem to be completely unaware of what the results of their work shows and instead systematically choose to pander to some kind of narrative more often than not completely orthogonal to their studies. Is there pressure to conform to the standard "healthy" messages? Is it something social? Is there corruption? Are they just not that clever?
It's really puzzling. You cannot "just read the abstract" anymore.
Also in this study as in many others, sugars and weight gain seem to be fairly unrelated.
Brad Marshall's recent post talks about how people used to consume more than 100g of sugar a day in the 1950s... Another world is possible.
Excellent work, thank you!
EDIT: Just got to the part discussing funding... LOL!
I'm a seed-oil-disrespecter currently doing a SMTM potato riff, and while my trial isn't over i'm fairly confident already that any time I fry potatoes in coconut oil I defeat the benefits of the diet. I suspect i could become obese eating ad-lib potatoes that I fried myself in beef tallow. They're just so delicious there's no way to stop eating them until they're gone, and while the oil is still hot they're only 'gone' when I stop peeling and slicing the damn things.
Tldr; f**k seed oil fries yes, but even 'good' fries seem problematic.
Odd that the antics of Michael Jacobson's Center for Science in the Public Interest are not mentioned here. French fries were not always this bad. Decades ago, the CSPI succeeded in a crusade to get McDonald's to replace the beef tallow they had been frying them in with those wonderfully healthy natural vegetable oils - trans fats. :-) Subsequently they have hidden how they pushed them and other dangerous factory made substitutes for genuine natural products used for millennia, and write fictional accounts of the period, casting themselves as heroes.
I can't imagine eating a boiled potato plain.
'Since mass-produced potato products don’t use olive or other fruit oils, the answer is more specifically: Seed oils.'
You can find potato chips (purportedly) made with olive oil or avocado oil. Until recently, Boulder Canyon also made a version using coconut oil, which, sadly, they've discontinued. I even called them to confirm that when it disappeared from my grocery store.
This is leaving out what's been written about the difficulties of finding genuine, unadulterated olive oil (maybe avocado oil too).
I avoid mass produced foods for this reason. They always use those 'heart healthy' seeds oils. People have forgotten that cooking quality good food is easy and cheap. Yesterday I did beef stew for two, 500g organic beef, an onion & two carrots, pressure cooked with a bit of tallow for 30 mins - costing about £6 in the UK. Sit on a small amount of boiled potato to soak up the gravy. Stuffed.
I can hardly wait for interview of Dr Willett and Dr Norwitz to be available.
" aka seed oils, are also causative in obesity, then adjusting for BMI would be invalid, as one cannot adjust by a factor that is involved in the causative pathway. "
I'm glad you pointed that out, because I wasn't sure if I read that right.
Wonder if those numbers for meat account for the very common consumption of fries along with the meat. Would be interesting if you could get separate numbers for chicken fried in peanut oil (eg Chick Fil A, etc) - so often eaten in conjunction with those tasty waffle fries.
I may have missed something, but I'm confused as to why you chose to focus on seed oils rather than the fact that those two preparations of potato are fried in oil.
Surely that in itself is sufficient to explain the difference, without having to gesture towards vaguely conspiratorial explanations involving something that has been studied a lot and seems to be completely fine.
Always baffling how researchers seem to be completely unaware of what the results of their work shows and instead systematically choose to pander to some kind of narrative more often than not completely orthogonal to their studies. Is there pressure to conform to the standard "healthy" messages? Is it something social? Is there corruption? Are they just not that clever?
It's really puzzling. You cannot "just read the abstract" anymore.
Also in this study as in many others, sugars and weight gain seem to be fairly unrelated.
Brad Marshall's recent post talks about how people used to consume more than 100g of sugar a day in the 1950s... Another world is possible.
Excellent work, thank you!
EDIT: Just got to the part discussing funding... LOL!
I'm a seed-oil-disrespecter currently doing a SMTM potato riff, and while my trial isn't over i'm fairly confident already that any time I fry potatoes in coconut oil I defeat the benefits of the diet. I suspect i could become obese eating ad-lib potatoes that I fried myself in beef tallow. They're just so delicious there's no way to stop eating them until they're gone, and while the oil is still hot they're only 'gone' when I stop peeling and slicing the damn things.
Tldr; f**k seed oil fries yes, but even 'good' fries seem problematic.
1) Does it mean that the public health establishment is done with CICO model of obesity?
2) It puts paid to Taubes crusade against carbs as causative in obesity.
Odd that the antics of Michael Jacobson's Center for Science in the Public Interest are not mentioned here. French fries were not always this bad. Decades ago, the CSPI succeeded in a crusade to get McDonald's to replace the beef tallow they had been frying them in with those wonderfully healthy natural vegetable oils - trans fats. :-) Subsequently they have hidden how they pushed them and other dangerous factory made substitutes for genuine natural products used for millennia, and write fictional accounts of the period, casting themselves as heroes.
Crime, once exposed, has no refuge but audacity.