Interview: "VEGETABLE OILS: poison worse than nicotine with Tucker Goodrich" with the Biohacking Girls

Or, are 'Seed oils worse than smoking?' My first foray into Norway (virtually), original title is "VEGETABILSKE OLJER: gift verre enn nikotin med Tucker Goodrich."

The interview was done in English, as my Norwegian is nonexistent.

VEGETABILSKE OLJER: gift verre enn nikotin med Tucker Goodrich

“Seed oils are worse than smoking. Finally, here we go. Tucker Goodrich is a guest and shares everything he knows about vegetable oils (plant oils). Today you will learn everything about why we should stay far away from oils, what they do to us, concrete advice on what you can do at home. You can compare this with the huge smoking trend that raged a few decades ago. Several researchers believe that it is almost better to smoke than to ingest the oils. Hear Goodrich share how the oils affect our health, organs, which diseases trigger and not least how long they stay in our system and tissues and how long it takes to get rid of the poison.

“His motivation, like many other biohackers, was his own health and shares his exceptional experiences when he removed the seed oils from his life. the changes came after 2 days, so 16 years of pain and illness disappeared pretty much overnight. Cravings disappeared, balance was established. Tucker recovered. The fat will oxidize and become rancid and will become toxic and damage the body and mitochondria and contribute to making it more difficult to lose weight. Tucker is also quite fair with reddish hair and has always been very [easily burned], until he cut this polyunsaturated fat.”

(Translation from Google, with my correction.)

So that “Seed oils are worse than smoking” bit needs some explanation, I think.

I’m referring to the Anti-Coronary Club trial, which is the only human intervention mentioned in the American Heart Association’s “Dietary Fat and Its Relation to Heart Attacks and Strokes” directive (Page et al., 1961), in which Americans were instructed to alter their diet to reduce their risk of heart attack:

“A diet moderate in calories and fat (about 23-35 per cent of total calories from fat) may be helpful for these coronary-prone persons. Substitution of poly-unsaturated for a substantial part of the saturated fat in the diet may also be a valuable addition to this program.”

With specific reference to the ability of seed oils to reduce “cholesterol” levels:

“With vegetable oils this decrease is thought to be due largely to a poly-unsaturated fatty acid known as linoleic acid, and with certain fish oils to a variety of other poly-unsaturated fatty acids.”

At the time this was written, no human interventional trial supporting reduced heart attack mortality as an outcome of increasing linoleic acid in the diet had been completed. The authors instead cited this effort, which was attempting to prove such an intervention would succeed.

The Anti-Coronary Club trial did not publish its results until 1966. A summary of the trial, published in 1980 (Singman et al., 1980) noted that smoking was not recognized as a risk factor during the initiation of the trial:

“At the initiation of the study, smoking was not stressed as a CHD risk factor. Our data indicated that there were significantly more smokers at entry in the control group than in the active experimental group at both age levels. In the 50 to 59-year-old group 17.7% of the active experimental group and 36.0% of the control group smoked (P = 0.001). In the younger age category 25.9% of the active experimental group smoked compared to 44.3% of the control group (P = 0.03).”

It’s essentially a seed-oils versus smoking trial, although this was of course not the intent of the thing. So how did this turn out?

As noted by Enig and Fallon in 1999:

“It was in the same year, 1966, that the results of Dr Jolliffe's Anti-Coronary Club experiment were published in JAMA. Those on the Prudent Diet of corn oil, margarine, fish, chicken and cold cereal had an average serum cholesterol of 220, compared to 250 in the meat-and-potatoes [and cigarettes] control group. However, the study authors were obliged to note that there were eight deaths from heart disease among Dr Jolliffe's Prudent Diet group, and none among those who ate meat three times a day.”

Specifically, as noted by Christakis et al. in 1966:

“Deaths From Coronary Heart Disease.—Of the eight subjects with new coronary disease events in the fully participating experimental group, three died of coronary heart disease, one died of other causes, and the other four were still alive at the end of the observation period. Of the seven detected cases with new events in the inactive experimental group, all of which were definite myocardial infarctions, five died of coronary heart disease and the other two were still alive at the end of the observation period.

“Of the 12 cases with new coronary disease events in the control group, all were still alive at the end of the observation period. This does appear somewhat unusual, although again the series is small….

“Deaths From Other Causes.—Among the 814 original experimental group subjects, there have been 18 known deaths from causes other than coronary heart disease during fully participating or inactive status among individuals who had not experienced a new coronary event, compared to 6 such deaths among the individuals in the control group. The rates for these deaths in the 50-59 age group were 689 per 100,000 person-years in the experimental group, and 666 per 100,000 in the control group. The difference between these two rates is slight and not statistically significant.”

So yes, it would be reasonable to conclude, from the study that the AHA relied upon to convince the United States to actively consume seed oils, that, “Seed oils are worse than smoking.”

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Christakis, G., Rinzler, S. H., Archer, M., & Kraus, A. (1966). Effect of the Anti-Coronary Club Program on Coronary Heart Disease Risk-Factor Status. JAMA, 198(6), 597–604. https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.1966.03110190079022

Enig, M. G., & Fallon, S. (1999, March). Good Oil or Fat, Bad Oil or Fat, and Effects on Health. Nexus Magazine, 6(2). https://stanceknowledge.com/good-oil-or-fat-bad-oil-or-fat-and-effects-on-health-dr-mary-enig-part-1

Jolliffe, N., Rinzler, S. H., & Archer, M. (1959). The Anti-Coronary Club; Including a Discussion of the Effects of a Prudent Diet on the Serum Cholesterol Level of Middle-aged Men. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 7, 451–462. https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/7.4.451

Page, I. H., Allen, E. V., Chamberlain, F. L., Keys, A., Stamler, J., & Stare, F. J. (1961). Dietary Fat and Its Relation to Heart Attacks and Strokes. Circulation, 23(1), 133–136. https://doi.org/10.1161/01.CIR.23.1.133

Singman, H. S., Berman, S. N., Cowell, C., Maslansky, E., & Archer, M. (1980). The Anti-Coronary Club: 1957 to 1972. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 33(6), 1183–1191. https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/33.6.1183